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 Posted - 26 Jan 2006 : 11:47:30 PM
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Has any one ever heard the theories put forward by David Icke about the Illuminante?
I have been having long debates with my daughters boyfriend about the Illuminate.
Do they or don't they exsist?
The eveidence is inconclusive to me, but my debating partner believes strongly in David Icke's findings.
I know many things control our lives, but reptillians. ?????
I think he watched V when he was younger LOL
what are your thoughts on this?
 Marion 
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theoldwitch
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Posted - 27 Jan 2006 : 12:01:17 AM
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I haven't heard of this but you've got my curiosity up so i'm going to go have a look and see what it's about.
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Posted - 27 Jan 2006 : 12:14:57 AM
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((((((((Marion))))))))) I know little about this but, I have heard about David Ike from many years ago when he reckoned he was the second coming and wearing turquoise tracksuits lol, but that's about it.
As a side note though we don't for sure whether our earth is being watched by aliens and they could be defined as reptiles. As I've said in another post somewhere, why should we be the only planet spinning in space, if we are here they why shouldn't there be others like/or different to us.
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Posted - 27 Jan 2006 : 12:16:55 AM
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(((((((((((((((((((((marian)))))))))))))))))))))
Now that is a thought provoking Question, i have heard of 'David Icke' and i have read quite a bit about him, some of which i found questionable and difficult to digest, but havent really looked into what his theories and personal beliefs are in depth, sorry i can't help you.
I hope that someone will be able to shed some light on this subject for you, wishing you the best of luck
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Posted - 27 Jan 2006 : 12:28:16 AM
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Thank you all for your replies. 
The Illuminate are supposed to have infiltrated our human race as far back as the Sumarian times.
They are now in positions of power all around the world..... Hence controling us!
At least according to David Icke LOL.
I have to  smile when Owen (Daughters Boy Friend) goes on about the Royal Family and President Bush, and the like, are part of the Illuminate.
Having watched a video of David Ickes, I still find his theories difficult to digest.
but his followers are growing, or so Owen tells me. 
Marion
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Posted - 27 Jan 2006 : 12:34:02 AM
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| One question, does David Ike offer any evidence of his theories at all? such as what evidence does he have that makes him think that the Royal family, President Bush etc are part of this "Illuminate"?
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Posted - 27 Jan 2006 : 12:58:26 AM
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He claims to have got a lot of information from a lady called Arizona Wilde.
her family were supposed to be servents / slaves ? of the illumiate.
She claims to have seen them shape shift at a sacrificial service.
She managed to escape their clutches before she herself was sacrificed.
Both she and David claim that their human / reptillian shapes flicker between the two, when they encounter deep anger and rage, over sexual excitement, and a bloodlust at human sacrifices.
David has many books about this subject, and some videos and tape recordings.
I have listened to his tape recordings of Arizona Wildes story.
But I also noticed lots of inconsistancies in the story too.
Which is why Owen and I have debates about david and his findings.
Marion
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Posted - 27 Jan 2006 : 01:02:47 AM
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Marion I have a website addy which is very eye opening if you want to read it to find out more on this but  there is no way I can get the info to you. I'm sorry.
~FreeSpirit
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Posted - 27 Jan 2006 : 01:03:42 AM
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quote:| But I also noticed lots of inconsistancies in the story too. Originally posted by Marion - 27 Jan 2006 : 12:58:26 AM |
Yep that's normally the case with things like this, wouldn't have been so bad if there was video footage of them shape shifting
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Posted - 27 Jan 2006 : 01:07:24 AM
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quote:She claims to have seen them shape shift at a sacrificial service.
She managed to escape their clutches before she herself was sacrificed.
Both she and David claim that their human / reptillian shapes flicker between the two, when they encounter deep anger and rage, over sexual excitement, and a bloodlust at human sacrifices.
Originally posted by Marion - 27 Jan 2006 : 12:58:26 AM
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(((((((((((((((((((Marian))))))))))))))))
Now that is difficult to digest, but who knows
With love and hugs 
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Posted - 27 Jan 2006 : 01:08:56 AM
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quote:
I think you will find that there shape shifting footage to accompany his accusations but who is doing the shifting is a (?)
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Posted - 27 Jan 2006 : 01:13:09 AM
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 I must live a sheltered life. I've never heard of this at all. Course, I don't muc think I could believe it either. Just too far fetched for me. Then again........maybe I'm too close minded.
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Posted - 27 Jan 2006 : 01:18:50 AM
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I have in this house a copy of the video that David Icke gave a friend of mine a few years ago (at a time where I found his claims to be very hard to swallow to say the least!). I must say that before I saw this footage (it is a documentary that was filmed at his house) I too was a disbeliever. Included in this documentary is the "evidence" to back his claims. The snip of film contained in this documentary is not the best footage as far as quality goes.......but it extremely interesting to say the least. We are talking before home computers so I doubt it was "fixed" but then I can't be 100% sure.
So I will remain neutral at this stage.
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Posted - 27 Jan 2006 : 07:02:20 AM
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i must say, i have never heard of him or his theorys before, but i must say you have grabed my interest so will be doing some searching later on to see what i can find out
love and light
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Posted - 27 Jan 2006 : 07:08:44 AM
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FreeSpirit
Thank you for your information.
Owen has a video recording taken of a Mayor / Sherrif during the Katrina Hurricain evacuation. Which I have seen.
He is speaking in front of cameras telling people it is too late now to evacuate and to stay put and sit tight.
He seems very excitable.
And suddenly his face seems to change, and as it does the camera spans to another part of the crowd of people with him.
He stops speaking and some one else takes over the microphone, but you never see him by himself or in the crowd after that!
Owen recons this is proof.
I still remain unsure.
Marion
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Posted - 27 Jan 2006 : 08:23:53 AM
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marion
Since you put your post up I have been reading some of his stuff but there is just sooo much that it is going to take me ages.I don't think I really believe what he says but it is very interesting reading.Like you I think I would need to see something that is proof that I would feel comfortable with but I also bear in mind there are more things in heaven and earth... I have to say I am reading with interest though.
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